A man who served as a pollster for former President Bill Clinton and former Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, Mark Penn, says that the Democrat Party is “falling off a cliff.”

He made the assertion when he spoke to Fox News host Laura Ingraham and juxtaposed the popularity of President Donald Trump and Department of Government Efficiency head Elon Musk with the unpopularity of the Democrat Party.

“Well, I’ve got some new polling coming out Monday that I just looked at. And frankly, the Democratic Party is falling off a cliff. The ratings, which were in the high 40s, are going to be like 35 percent and I think the basic question who is doing better job as president, Biden or Trump? Trump is winning that with 57 percent,” he said to Ingraham.

“I think you’re seeing a retrospective assessment of Biden and the direction, the Democratic Party was going, it really a lot more negative than it was on Election Day. And they’re looking at the contrast on immigration, on economic policy, on some of the social policies, and boy, they’re reevaluating and the Democratic Party, I have never seen anything like this. This is a record low for the Democratic Party in terms of favorability. It has fallen really, really way down. And I don’t think there’s any leadership right now that’s going to be able to bring that back,” he said, and pollster Matt Towery agreed.

“Well, I think, first of all, Mark framed it right. Where is Trump vis-a-vis Biden, and he’s way ahead. That’s something that gets hidden in these stories. The second thing is, you have a lot of the pollsters who could not poll Trump well during any of his election cycles, coming out suddenly saying what his approval rating is. Whereas you get someone like Harris, which Mark is involved with, or InsiderAdvantage, or Trafalgar or others Atlas, we’re more likely to get his approval right. And I think his approval rating is somewhere between six and 10 points above, in other words, a plus 10 or more, whereas these media groups are trying to say he’s down three or he’s down four, that is just not born out by the facts I’ve seen or the numbers I’ve seen, or numbers I’ve seen from other pollsters who I really respect,” Towery said.

“And I think the Trump team knows this is coming. They know there’s going to be this big play of saying, oh, he’s suddenly becoming unpopular, they’re going to try to drive a wedge between him and Elon, it’s not working,” he said.