True the Vote Interview With Charlie Kirk Part 1: 'A Ballot Laundering Cartel'

True the Vote Interview With Charlie Kirk Part 1: 'A Ballot Laundering Cartel'


Turning Point USA founder and executive director sat for an interview with ballot integrity group True the Vote’s Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Philips this week to discuss the organization’s an extremely high-tech probe into an “organized crime” ballot trafficking operation they say most definitely helped swing the 2020 election away from now-former President Donald Trump.

Philips noted that the acts of stuffing ballot boxes in various parts of the country — mostly swing states — followed a consistent pattern, with every operation featuring “a set of collectors, a collection point or stash house for all the ballots, the bundling of those ballots, and then the casting of those ballots [in the drop boxes] by, what we were calling, ‘mules.’”

“And as we began putting the pieces and parts together, it really did dawn on us: ‘Well, this sounds like what’s happening in Atlanta or in San Luis, Arizona’… This was a conspiracy, this was organized crime,” he explained.

At one point in the interview, Engelbrecht talked about the “fateful moment” when she turned to Philips and asked, “How do we take down a cartel?”

“That’s when we began to use the terms like stash houses, and drop points, and mules, and trafficking, and voter abuse because that’s what we’re looking at,” she said.

A press release noted:

True the Vote spent $2 million to buy publicly available cell phone data that can pinpoint an individual’s location to within a few inches. They then narrowed their search to targets that began visiting drop boxes and NGO offices during the early voting weeks leading up to November 3rd, activity that was contrary to their prior “pattern of life.” In Georgia, the threshold was at least two dozen trips to drop boxes and five visits to a non-profit.

Englebrecht described their filtering logic, noting that the pair sought parameters that were “outside the norm, so aberrant that it would just stick out like a sore thumb in terms of a dataset.

“We wanted to have such clear margins, such clear lines that we finally settled on groups that were going [to the drop boxes] in Georgia an average of 23 times — so distinctive. And, as Gregg points out, they also had to go to the NGOs — so they had to meet both those criteria a certain number of times for us to really drill down and study,” she continued.


Through open records requests, True the Vote acquired and dropbox surveillance video where they could find it, which then assisted in confirming that trafficking had occurred.

In addition, they analyzed chain of custody documents to identify what a typical day looked like at a given dropbox. According to records they examined, they discovered normal ballot drop data punctuated by “spikes” in ballot receipts. This information helped them hone in on specific times and dates burrowed in some 4 million minutes’ worth of video footage.

“This is how money laundering works,” Philips observed. “This is not just a one-off thing, this is not some Democrat activist that really wanted Trump gone and might have had a couple friends do this. This was a machine.”

Kirk wanted to know which state saw the most trafficking activity.

“Pennsylvania,” Philips responded. “The worst in every way: 1,155 people met our criteria… in Philadelphia.”

“What’s even more insane is watching the data, watching the pings come across the bridge in New Jersey and into Philly,” Englebrecht added, indicating that the traffickers crossed state lines in order to allegedly commit ballot fraud.

In addition to Philadelphia, they said two mules in Arizona made their way to Georgia for the runoff elections, both of which went to Democratic candidates. And a bartender in South Carolina came in to “help out” in Atlanta, said Philips.

Even more disturbing, the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSA) knew about the systematic ballot stuffing and did nothing.

“We learned that there were off-duty law enforcement officers, paid for by the Republican Party, that reported all of this. And [the NRSA] just covered it up,” Gregg said.

Part II of this interview will be published tomorrow.

END PART ONE – Listen here


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